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DarthBicyclist	Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 9:19 AM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 25 2009, 4:19 PM EDT I mean, by the end of the show, we've jumped 150,000 years into the future (to our present day), so technically, at the very end, everyone is dead, expect for Head Six and Head Baltar, and maybe Starbuck 2.0. THIS QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO THE DVD GIVEAWAY Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
intrepid	1. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 10:54 AM EDT "I mean, by the end of the show, we've jumped 150,000 years into the future (to our present day), so technically, at the very end, everyone is dead, expect for Head Six and Head Baltar, and maybe Starbuck 2.0." Splitting hairs, if you went 100 years into the future everyone who was on the ships would be dead. I like camping as much as anyone, however, I wouldn't pick it as a lifestyle choice! Am I suppose to accept that every single one of the survivors of an advanced space faring civilization are spontaneously going to become hippies. Do they know how to survive in the wild on what is to them an alien planet, what is poisonous to eat and what isn't, what animals are dangerous? The mortality rate for the first year alone must have been high for a people who largely, were most probably born and raised in a city. All this to start again? Start what again? Start civilization again? What would be the point of loosing 1000's of years of civilization and history just to relearn it all over again! To think, historians bemoan the destruction of the great library at Alexandra thousands of years ago for the history that was lost, imagine throwing that away to the nth degree. 150,000 years ago was before the last ice age, perhaps, several ice ages ago, what did they leave us except some genetic code. What a waste of a good story, it should have been called, “Escape to Oblivion” instead of “Battlestar Galacticia.” Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Green-Arrow	2. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 12:03 PM EDT It was suggested that the survivors were going to give the primitive humans on Earth language and possibly other tools (and quite likely, religion). I also don't think they abandoned their technology and knowledge altogether. There's nothing to suggest that they went straight to sleeping on bearskins. (After all, Adama was going to build a cabin). And I'm sure Doc Cottle surveyed the planet's flora carefully. My take was that they were going to retreat to a simple life, more akin to pioneers than cavemen. But regardless of how much tech they chose to retain, it wouldn't take long for them to run out of medicine/ammunition/batteries, so the descent (or social merging perhaps) of their civilization with the Earth natives may have taken several generations. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
amy_c	3. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 3:12 PM EDT "It was suggested that the survivors were going to give the primitive humans on Earth language and possibly other tools (and quite likely, religion). I also don't think they abandoned their technology and knowledge altogether. There's nothing to suggest that they went straight to sleeping on bearskins. (After all, Adama was going to build a cabin). And I'm sure Doc Cottle surveyed the planet's flora carefully. My take was that they were going to retreat to a simple life, more akin to pioneers than cavemen. But regardless of how much tech they chose to retain, it wouldn't take long for them to run out of medicine/ammunition/batteries, so the descent (or social merging perhaps) of their civilization with the Earth natives may have taken several generations." While I was live tweeting the finale, someone said, "Hey, some of us like toilet paper, Lee!" or something like that. LOL I wasn't crazy about Lee's little speech in that he seemed to make this decision for them. It makes sense now that I think about it, though. I mean, it was advanced technology that bit them in the ass originally. I can see them wanting to take a sabbatical from their normal lifestyle. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DarthBicyclist	4. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 4:16 PM EDT This discussion about whether they should have given up all of their technology is interesting, but it's not really the subject of the thread I started. I still think that there's a strong argument that, at the end of the show, all these characters are dead, which is relevant to the outcome of the DVD Giveaway. (And for the record, that wasn't my prediction, so I'm not bringing this up just so I can win the DVD myself.) So, are there any comments specific to the subject of this thread? Here are some links to discussions about the giving up technology thing: http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/renunciation-of-technology.html http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2328338 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
intrepid	5. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 25 2009, 8:24 PM EDT "It was suggested that the survivors were going to give the primitive humans on Earth language and possibly other tools (and quite likely, religion). I also don't think they abandoned their technology and knowledge altogether. There's nothing to suggest that they went straight to sleeping on bearskins. (After all, Adama was going to build a cabin). And I'm sure Doc Cottle surveyed the planet's flora carefully. My take was that they were going to retreat to a simple life, more akin to pioneers than cavemen. But regardless of how much tech they chose to retain, it wouldn't take long for them to run out of medicine/ammunition/batteries, so the descent (or social merging perhaps) of their civilization with the Earth natives may have taken several generations." That would only make sense if the time frame was 15,000 - 10,000 years ago which would put them at the start of the human agricultural period, and would also make a good case for the Greek and other religious references. At 150,000 years, well, humans didn't change their habits at all that I can find. Retreat to a simpler life, Hmmm, you mean like the Amish, who live their lives like it the 1800's but still need to travel to town to buy the things they can't produce for themselves. Even they require the convenience of a “modern” civilization to allow their backwards lifestyle to work, which isn't to say they couldn't take several more steps backwards and still live their chosen lifestyle, but it's kept that way by artificial indoctrination to a religious principle. Normal people strive to make life easier for themselves and their children, finding a better way of doing things. Choosing a life where you live to the ripe old age of 40 isn't a valid lifestyle choice to me. DarthBicyclist, you are correct, at the “end” of the show, technically, by the “150,000 years later” tag, all the mentioned characters are dead. P.S. Sorry for hijacking your thread. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
amy_c	6. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 26 2009, 12:16 PM EDT "This discussion about whether they should have given up all of their technology is interesting, but it's not really the subject of the thread I started. I still think that there's a strong argument that, at the end of the show, all these characters are dead, which is relevant to the outcome of the DVD Giveaway. (And for the record, that wasn't my prediction, so I'm not bringing this up just so I can win the DVD myself.) So, are there any comments specific to the subject of this thread? Here are some links to discussions about the giving up technology thing: http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/renunciation-of-technology.html http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2328338 " Oh, sorry to veer off track! I don't know how to call this, to be honest. What do you think, GA? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Green-Arrow	7. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 26 2009, 6:18 PM EDT In keeping with the spirit of the challenge, we aren't counting the 150,000-year flash-forward. So the official "death tally" for the finale is as follows: Boomer, Tory, Anders, and Roslin. Starbuck is an interesting case, since it's now arguable whether she was ever actually alive after her ship exploded. But since her vanishing falls under the "vague or unclear" category, we're not counting Starbuck as a literal death. (For what it's worth, the outcome of the contest is affected by how Starbuck is scored -- alive or dead, the same entries came out on top.) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DarthBicyclist	8. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 26 2009, 7:42 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 26 2009, 7:44 PM EDT Thanks for the clarification. I have to say, though, I'm not sure that I agree that it's within the spirit of the contest to ignore a major plot point. Sure, we didn't actually see all those other characters die from old age or from being eaten by sabertooth tigers or whatever in the Pleistocene epoch, but then, we didn't actually see Anders die onscreen either. Again, this is all philosophical since it's a fictional story, and I'm not winning the DVDs in any case, so it's not really a big deal, just an observation. (Hey, at least we're not trying to figure this stuff out on Lost.) And I think you meant to say that the outcome of the contest is NOT affected by how Starbuck is scored. Thanks for your work on this site! You guys rock! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Green-Arrow	9. RE: Couldn't you argue that everyone died? Mar 27 2009, 12:58 PM EDT "And I think you meant to say that the outcome of the contest is NOT affected by how Starbuck is scored. " Quite so. In fact, the 12 highest-scoring entries all voted the same way on Kara Thrace, so toggling her from "lived" to "died" doesn't change a thing. And really, the only character that we know dies based on the flash-forward is Hera (who's not even on the ballot). Come to think of it, we don't even really know that for sure, do we? Post reply Do you find this valuable?