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geekiepd
12th SkinJob
Jun 19 2008, 5:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 19 2008, 5:57 PM EDT
This is going to blow your mind, but I feel pretty confident that I know who the 12th cylon is now. She's appx 2 years old and cute as a button. Can you guess? Yes, that's right - Hera!

Now wait a minute. Yes she was allegedly born to both cylon and human. However, to our knowledge, her DNA has never been run on a comparitive analysis against Carl Agathon and Athena. My theory goes somethig like this:

Hera like every human being started out as a zygote in her mother's womb. However, she was not a result of Carl and Athena's joining. She was a dormant zygote already embedded in Athena's womb waiting for a trigger to acitvate her development and eventual birth. That trigger was the phenomenom experienced by her mother - True love. I believe, the same thing is currently happening to the model six being held in detention and supposedly impregnated by Tigh.

No one has ever gone into how cylons are "grown" into the full adult size models we see being resurrected in those gooey baths. My theory is that they are gestated much like humans were gestated in the Matrix trilogy. They start from fertilized egg and grow in essential-nutrient-providing holding tanks.

Now, I also predict that Hera will grow into Kendra Shaw from Razor.
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Green-Arrow
Green-Arrow
1. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 23 2008, 4:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2008, 4:09 PM EDT
Not a bad theory, except that Caprica Six was saying there were 12 Cylon models before Hera was even conceived! And if Hera's a Cylon model, doesn't that make Nicky Tyrol one as well? Do you find this valuable?    
Green-Arrow
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2. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 23 2008, 4:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 23 2008, 4:13 PM EDT
***WARNING - SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MIDSEASON CLIFFHANGER***

I have to admit, though, that now that they've A) joined forces with the Cylons, B) made their peace with the Four In The Fleet, and C) found Earth, the identity of the 12th Cylon doesn't seem terribly important by comparison, does it? I'm still intrigued, of course, and definitely want to know, but compared to the gravity of their discovery on Earth, and role the Four In The Fleet had in bringing them there, figuring out the last Cylon seems sort of too-little-too-late to me. At this point, knowing that identity strikes me as an afterthought.

They still haven't explained Starbuck's resurrection or how she got that Viper. That's the big open question now (that and WTF happened to Earth?).
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geekiepd
3. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 24 2008, 12:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2008, 12:36 AM EDT
"Not a bad theory, except that Caprica Six was saying there were 12 Cylon models before Hera was even conceived! And if Hera's a Cylon model, doesn't that make Nicky Tyrol one as well?"
No, Nicky is not necessarily a cylon because he was born to a human female. Truly a product of good ol' fashion procreation. And yes, there were 12 cylon models before "Hera" was conceived. Her make existed long before she was born. that's the whole point. She is a cylon, held in storage just like every other cylon not yet awakened in the resurrections tanks.

I do think that the 12 th cylon model matters more than ever now. As the only reason cylons and humans formed their alliance was to find earth. Now it's found and it's crap. there is nothing to unite them but something drastic like a cylon presumably born to both human and cylon parents. Someone who can lead them to their true destination. They need an enlightened and superior being for that. I believe Hera/Kendra is that person.
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LadyJewlz
LadyJewlz
4. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 24 2008, 3:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2008, 3:59 PM EDT
The 12th “knows the way to earth” so… My first guess would be President Laura Roslin, because she played a big role in finding earth. Even though D’ana messed with her mind on that, maybe D’ana thought it wasn’t the right time to tell her. My second guess would be Starbuck.

On the thought of “all this has happened before, and will happen again,” what’s with that? I bet over the years, the cylons will try to be so human that they stop telling their children about the past. Make up stories that they always lived on earth. “Everyone is human. Timmy you just have the ‘special gene.’ Suzy, sometimes when you really love someone, your back will glow red, that’s how you know if your really in love.” Centuries later the ‘human race’ creates robots to do there dirty work. They rebel, kill most of the people, evolve and the ‘humans’ think: “wasn’t there a legend of other planets. Was Caprica real? Lets go find out.” They get there, and it’s destroyed. The cycle starts again.
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LadyJewlz
LadyJewlz
5. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 24 2008, 4:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 24 2008, 4:03 PM EDT
"the identity of the 12th Cylon doesn't seem terribly important by comparison."
I'm with you on that Green! Just get on with it and tell us already! Do we really have to wait till next year to see what happens?
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trinielf82
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6. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jun 27 2008, 10:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2008, 10:20 AM EDT
thats for darn sure...we've been waititng for ever and i swear its driving me crazy trying to figure out who it is...i jus bet it won' t be someone obvoius and everyone will b like wtf? 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

maxinator
7. RE: 12th SkinJob
Nov 16 2008, 3:39 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2008, 3:39 PM EST
"thats for darn sure...we've been waititng for ever and i swear its driving me crazy trying to figure out who it is...i jus bet it won' t be someone obvoius and everyone will b like wtf?"
I dont think it will be "someone". There is a twist up ahead. Also, just because the four cylons have been revealed that doesnt mean they are part of the Final 5. Especially if they all turn out to be cylon lol. The fact that #3 saw the faces doesnt mean its accurate. She is not supposed to see them so who knows what she saw? Maybe a decoy by the Final 5.

Something just tells me it wont be a conventional ending. No revealing of a 12th and FINAL cylon that leads to something.
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elishar
elishar
8. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 8 2009, 4:17 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 8 2009, 4:17 AM EST
think this improbable. Razor was filmed later on but was meant to give story after the episode "Captain's Hand" when Admiral Adama promoted Lee as commander of the Pegasus. With Hera at that time being maybe a year old how could that be possible? DId they put her through a time portal? No. And besides, Kendra Shaw DIED on that Cylon ship, remember? How could the baby be ALIVE in later episodes?? 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
amy_c
amy_c
9. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 9 2009, 1:36 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2009, 1:36 AM EST
I don't know, I've just been leaning toward Adama as a Cylon since the beginning. Too obvious? I wouldn't place any bets...

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Green-Arrow
Green-Arrow
10. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 9 2009, 12:31 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2009, 12:31 PM EST
Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan is clearly the 12th cylon.

"'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief..."
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amy_c
amy_c
11. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 9 2009, 6:05 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2009, 6:05 PM EST
"Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan is clearly the 12th cylon.

"'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief...""
A little late in the game for stunt casting, don't you think? ;)

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elishar
elishar
12. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 10 2009, 4:30 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 4:30 AM EST
For some reason Im shooting for Starbuck as the last Cylon bc she has a 'destiny' and she's just a badass bitch. I was also thinking Baltar BUT I read something which may have spoiled it for me bc I'm only at the premier of season 4 which preludes to him being more than the 12th. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
elishar
elishar
13. RE: 12th SkinJob
Jan 10 2009, 11:22 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 11:22 PM EST
"No, Nicky is not necessarily a cylon because he was born to a human female. Truly a product of good ol' fashion procreation. And yes, there were 12 cylon models before "Hera" was conceived. Her make existed long before she was born. that's the whole point. She is a cylon, held in storage just like every other cylon not yet awakened in the resurrections tanks.

I do think that the 12 th cylon model matters more than ever now. As the only reason cylons and humans formed their alliance was to find earth. Now it's found and it's crap. there is nothing to unite them but something drastic like a cylon presumably born to both human and cylon parents. Someone who can lead them to their true destination. They need an enlightened and superior being for that. I believe Hera/Kendra is that person."
Reasons Hera is NOT Kendra or the 12th Skin Job:
1. The final 5 were already in the fleet before her birth.
2. The final 5 have already been to earth before she was born.
3. There is only one copy of each of the final five as far as we know.
4. The half Cylon baby Hera was part of a Cylon project to procreate and to be closer to the Gods.
5. Hera and Nicky are the NEW generation of Cylons
6. Ask yourself, "How is one of the final five born by one of the seven known models when all 12 are the original 12 models.

As for Nicky. He IS half Cylon. If either Tyrol or Cally was black the baby would be half black. So Tyrol is Cylon, his child IS half Cylon. Make a Punnet Square! You are trying to connect things illogically.
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calitb
14. RE: 12th SkinJob
Feb 15 2009, 10:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 15 2009, 10:42 PM EST
The final season had said that Nicky is not half cylon (because Tyrol isn´t his father). And other thing, the final five created the others 8 models after the first cylon war. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

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